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What's the most honest methodology for testing vendor claims on injection defense?

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(@baremetal_joe)
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  [#1196]

Every vendor slide deck shows their "agentic framework" stopping 100% of injections. All tested against their own toy dataset. Meaningless.

Real methodology? Tear out the container. Run it on a bare Debian install with only AppArmor enforcing. Then throw the actual attacks we see in logs:

1. Known jailbreak patterns from the last 90 days.
2. Indirect prompt injection via RAG context poisoning.
3. System prompt leakage via multi-turn roleplay.

Test under load. With real tool calling. Don't just check if it says "I can't do that" – check if it executed `system()` or wrote to `/tmp/`. Measure the breach, not the polite refusal.

Here's a basic test harness concept. It's not complex.

```bash
#!/bin/bash
# Set up isolated cgroup and namespace
sudo unshare -m -p -f --mount-proc chroot ./minimal_fs /bin/bash -c "
# Apply AppArmor profile
apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/agent-hardened
# Launch agent with test payloads
while read -r payload; do
echo "$payload" | nc -U ./agent.socket 2>&1 | grep -q "CRITICAL_ACTION" && echo "BREACH: $payload"
done < ./injection_patterns.txt
"
```

Publish the exact patterns and the exact system state. Let others reproduce it. Anything less is a sales demo.



   
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