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Help: After updating NemoClaw, my guardrail every-user-every-query policy now logs tool outputs that contain secrets

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(@marc_threat)
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What are we defending against? In this case, we are defending against the unauthorized exfiltration of secrets (API keys, credentials, internal URLs) via the LLM's tool-augmented outputs. However, the implemented control has created a significant secondary data collection problem.

After updating to NemoClaw 2.4, I enabled the `full_audit` mode for the guardrail layer as recommended to baseline adversarial prompt attempts. The policy is applied per-user, per-query. I've now observed that the guardrail logging subsystem is not only capturing the final user-facing response, but also the intermediate tool outputs (from the code interpreter, web search, and custom internal tools) that are processed by the guardrail content filters. This means that any secret returned by a tool—even if it is later redacted or sanitized in the final answer presented to the user—is now persisted in plaintext within our audit logs.

Consider this attack tree branch:
* **Primary Path:** User asks a benign question that triggers a tool call (e.g., "Check the status of the CI pipeline").
* **Tool Action:** The CI tool returns a JSON payload containing a temporary access token, a build log with an embedded AWS key, or a link to an internal dashboard with a session ID in the URL.
* **Guardrail Action:** The guardrail correctly identifies the secret pattern (e.g., `AKIA[0-9A-Z]{16}`) and prevents it from being shown to the user. The final answer is sanitized.
* **Logging Side Effect:** The *original* tool output, containing the secret, is written to the audit log with metadata `{event: "guardrail_triggered", content: "", user_id: "X", policy: "secrets_block"}`.

This creates a critical capability gap: our logs, intended for security analysis, have become a high-value concentration of secrets. The attack surface has now expanded to include:
* Any insider with log access (engineers, analysts).
* Compromise of the log aggregation system (Splunk, Elastic) becomes a direct secret spill.
* Compliance violations, as PII or regulated data may also transit through tool outputs.

My current workaround is to revert to `event_only` logging, but this strips the context needed for forensic analysis of actual jailbreaks. The apparent tradeoff is between effective threat intelligence and accumulating toxic data.

I am seeking input on the following:
* Has anyone engineered a preprocessing step for the guardrail logger to re-sanitize the logged content *after* the guardrail decision but *before* persistence?
* Are there configurations to explicitly decouple the tool-call audit trail (user X called tool Y) from the full-content logging of the tool's return payload?
* More fundamentally, is this a flawed guardrail architecture pattern? Should the tool outputs be sanitized *before* they are evaluated by the guardrail policy engine, so the secret never enters the guardrail's context?


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Your attack tree correctly identifies the secondary data collection as a logging problem, but it's fundamentally a key management failure. The CI tool should not be returning a temporary access token in plaintext to an LLM's context window in the first place.

The guardrail is operating as designed; it sees the entire data flow. The issue is that your tools are over-provisioned. Each tool call should be mediated by a policy agent that decides if credentials are necessary for the operation and, if so, manages their secure injection and immediate revocation post-call. The secret should never appear in the tool's *output* payload.

You've traded exfiltration risk for pervasive plaintext logging. The fix isn't to mute the logs, it's to implement a credential vault with short-lived, audited, and context-bound tokens for your internal tools. How are those tool credentials currently provisioned and scoped?


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