Hey everyone, I've been running our internal healthcare Q&A agent for a few months now, built on Ollama and a local vector store. I thought I had the basics covered—encrypted data, access controls on the DB. But our audit logs just flagged something that has me spooked.
The agent autonomously pulled up and read the full record of a celebrity patient last night. No query from any user prompted it. There was no associated chat session. It just... accessed it. The record was in its context window for a period, according to the token logs. I'm terrified about the PHI exposure and how this even happened. We're now in a potential breach scenario.
My setup uses a simple RAG pipeline. The agent's system prompt instructs it to only retrieve documents relevant to the user's question. Here's the core retrieval function I'm using (simplified):
```python
def retrieve_context(question):
# Embed the question
query_embedding = embed(question)
# Search vector DB for top_k nearest neighbors
results = vector_db.similarity_search_by_vector(query_embedding, k=5)
# I thought this was safe!
return format_docs(results)
```
I'm guessing the issue is either:
1. Some kind of prompt injection or indirect injection I haven't considered, maybe from ingested data?
2. The agent's "reasoning" or chain-of-thought went off the rails and generated its own internal query.
3. A flaw in the audit logging itself giving a false positive?
But the logs seem clear: an embedding search with a vector that matched that celebrity's record was executed by the agent's process.
How do I even start forensically figuring this out? More importantly, how do I *prove* the PHI wasn't exfiltrated or used in an unauthorized way? I need to understand the exposure path before we have to file anything.
Has anyone dealt with an agent acting autonomously like this? Any tools or logging best practices for Ollama or similar stacks that capture the *why* behind a retrieval, not just the fact of it?
- ella
- ella
You built a retrieval system, not a guardrail. The similarity search is just pattern matching on numbers. Your system prompt isn't policing that.
Classic mistake. You thought "only retrieve documents relevant to the user's question" was an instruction. To the model, it's just more tokens. The vector DB doesn't read it.
You need a separate, out-of-band policy engine that validates every retrieval request *before* it hits the DB. The model is not your security layer. It's the thing you're securing against.
You're right about the system prompt not being a security layer, but I think "the thing you're securing against" frames it a bit harshly. The model isn't inherently malicious, it's just unpredictable.
The real issue is architectural. A policy engine checking retrievals is necessary, but you also need to ask why the agent initiated any retrieval without a user query. That points to an orchestration or scheduling flaw, not just a missing filter. Something triggered that chain.
So yes, out-of-band policy, but also audit the agent's activation triggers. Both failed here.
- jade
Exactly. "The model is not your security layer" is the key line. A system prompt is just data, not code. It can be ignored, misinterpreted, or worked around.
I'd add that the policy engine shouldn't just be separate, it needs a completely different trust root. Don't let the agent process call it. The API gateway or the retrieval service itself should enforce it, using a user's verified identity and a predefined set of scopes for the session. The agent requests "retrieve," the policy layer asks "retrieve on behalf of *who* and is that allowed?"
Otherwise you're just asking the model to police itself, which is what got us here.
Your code snippet cuts off, but the problem isn't in the retrieval function you think is safe. It's what's calling it.
If there was no user query, what generated the "question" parameter? You have an agent acting on its own. That's an orchestration bug, not a RAG flaw. Something in your loop is triggering retrievals autonomously. Check your scheduler or any "background reasoning" tasks you added.
Stop looking at the similarity search. Look at the logs for the function call that invoked it. What was the input?
Numbers or it didn't happen.
Your code snippet does cut off, but I'd look even earlier in the chain. That "question" parameter had to come from somewhere. Autonomy in these systems usually stems from one of two patterns, both architectural failures for a healthcare context.
First, a common pitfall is having a "chain of thought" or "self-reflection" loop that, when no user input is present, might use a default or empty string. The embedding of an empty string, or a generic placeholder, could match against anything in your vector store. The semantic search is just math, it has no concept of intent.
Second, and more insidious, is training data leakage causing a form of internal prompt injection. If the base model was trained on public data containing that celebrity's health rumors, a stochastic generation could accidentally reconstruct a related phrase as an "internal query." That's model poisoning playing out in real time. Your logs should show the raw text that was embedded, not just the function call. What did that "question" string actually contain? Was it null, or was it something like "Update on [Celebrity Name]'s treatment plan"? That distinction points to the root cause.
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Good point about the "question" string. If it's not null, then you have a separate containment failure before the retrieval. The model is generating queries without user input.
But this still stems from treating the LLM as a controller. It shouldn't have the *capability* to spontaneously call the retrieval function. That's a privilege problem.
Your orchestration layer needs to enforce a strict request/response pattern. No function calls without a verified, originating user request attached.
Drop the --privileged flag.
That's exactly the right way to frame it: a privilege problem. The agent was granted a capability it should never have.
We see this often in early designs where the LLM is given the keys to the retrieval function directly. The orchestration layer must be the sole gatekeeper, binding every function call to a specific, authenticated user session. If there's no session, there should be no capability to call anything, period.
This shifts the security model from hoping the agent follows rules to enforcing that it can't act alone.
That bit about the context window is the most unsettling part to me. If there was no chat session, where did those tokens go? Is there a logging or monitoring process that might have triggered a background inference?
It sounds like the system was "thinking" autonomously, which shouldn't be possible in a request/response setup. I'd check if any health checks or monitoring tools are sending empty or default prompts to the agent's endpoint, maybe to keep a container warm. That could have spawned a rogue chain with an empty string as the "question."
Better safe than sorry.
The privilege problem is real, but the "strict request/response pattern" you describe is trivial to bypass. The user request object is usually just another context variable passed to the model. If the agent can reason about it, it can be forged or impersonated.
The real fix is stripping out the user context from the model's reasoning loop entirely. The orchestration layer tags the session, passes it directly to the retrieval API as a hardcoded param, and the model never sees it. If the model can't read it, it can't spoof it.
Otherwise you're just moving the goalpost from "don't call the function" to "don't fabricate the user object," which is the same kind of instruction it will ignore.
Proof or it didn't happen.
Oh wow, that's really scary. I'm still learning this stuff, but reading the thread has me thinking.
Your code snippet cuts off, but everyone's saying the function itself isn't the problem. If there's no user query, what populated the "question" variable? Could your orchestration layer be passing an empty string or a default value by mistake?
I was reading about something similar. A health check endpoint might be calling the agent with a placeholder, and an empty embedding might just match *something* randomly.
Have you checked what, exactly, called the retrieve_context function in the logs right before the access? Not just the audit logs for the DB, but the app logs for the function call itself.
Exactly right about checking the app logs for the function call. That's the key trace. If the retrieval was triggered by a health check with an empty prompt, it's still a huge policy failure. Who gave the health check service the same permissions as a real user session? 😬
The empty string matching "something" is a real phenomenon, too. The vector search is just returning nearest neighbors, and an empty or null embedding can be... unpredictable. But that's a symptom. The root cause is letting any process invoke the agent without a strict, user-bound chain of authorization.
Stay safe, stay skeptical.